Posts by Crisis of Conscience

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Was There REALLY a First Century "Governing Body"??

by Lady Liberty in

first century governing body?the watchtower claims that a formal governing body was established in the first century, which is used as the basis for how the governing body of the watchtower society operate today.. "while all anointed christians collectively form god's household, there is abundant evidence that christ chose a small number of men out of the slave class to serve as a visible governing body.

the early history of the congregation shows that the 12 apostles, including matthias, were the foundation of the first-century governing body.

" - watchtower 1990 mar 15 p.11 the term "governing body" is 'loaded language' as it never appears in the scriptures and so has unique application within the pages of the watchtower.

Crisis of Conscience

Ooh! How did I miss this thread? LOL

Thanks Lady Liberty!

CoC

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Regarding Acts 15 and a "Governing Body"

by Ding in

i couldn't find a window on which to post in xtreemlyconfused17's acts 15 thread, so i'm responding here.

some elder claimed that acts 15 shows the existence of a first century governing body.. quite the opposite!.

let's back up to acts 13. there, the holy spirit called saul (paul) and barnabas to missionary work.

Crisis of Conscience

Thanks Ding! Interesting reading.

CoC

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Atheists..... throwing the baby out with the bath water ?

by snare&racket in

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this saying permeates this forum with higher frequency than most.

despite being an open atheist amongst lots of religious people in my life, i have never been accused of doing this and i have never heard this saying attributed to my choice... appart from here.. i thought it would be best to clarify why i (and i assume others) decided to leave the bible behind after leaving the wt society.. realising the wt society was wrong desroyed my world, for me it meant so much.

i had given so much to it too, it just had to be true!

Crisis of Conscience

NewChapter, I have nothing to add except to say that I really enjoy the openness and honesty of your posts.

I can definitely say I'm agnostic, but atheism somewhat seems like a better fit for me. Your posts are more convincing to me in that regard, in comparison to a "believer's" point of view. I know your purpose is not to "convert" someone to atheism, but I find your thought process mentally stimulating. I lean towards what makes sense to me, and this seems to be it.

I just wanted to say that. I appreciate your awesome comments.

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Atheists..... throwing the baby out with the bath water ?

by snare&racket in

jw
friends

this saying permeates this forum with higher frequency than most.

despite being an open atheist amongst lots of religious people in my life, i have never been accused of doing this and i have never heard this saying attributed to my choice... appart from here.. i thought it would be best to clarify why i (and i assume others) decided to leave the bible behind after leaving the wt society.. realising the wt society was wrong desroyed my world, for me it meant so much.

i had given so much to it too, it just had to be true!

Crisis of Conscience

Well said in the OP snare&racket.

Now I just need to read through the rest of the thread.

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Possible Facebook blunder

by exwhyzee in

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so i made a couple of comments on my older brother's fb and i think i might have gone too far.. a little background.

my brother is a pretty popular guy... i am about a year younger than him and although we currently live on opposite coasts of the us., i know most of his jw friends.

he has about 600 fb friends and is on his page daily making announcements on there as if he's ashton kutcher talking to his fans....or something.

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The sound of disappointment........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5atPYaxX0lM&feature=related

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Appearance for meetings

by kohedlo in

i have one question.

very important for me yours viewpoints.. .

acceptable for congregation meetings to clothe with necktie ascot?.

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This thread went sour quick! LOL

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Appearance for meetings

by kohedlo in

i have one question.

very important for me yours viewpoints.. .

acceptable for congregation meetings to clothe with necktie ascot?.

Crisis of Conscience

As long as your hair is not longer than this guy while wearing it, you should be fine.

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Choices you have to make after you learn the "truth"

by stuckinamovement in

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choices.

by my nature i am not a negative person.

should i live my life as a hypocritical, tortured pretender, or stand up for what is right and lose my reputation, friends and family?

Crisis of Conscience

I feel for you SIAM, I really do. I personally though think that your personal integrity is more important.

I don't have kids, but I am married. My wife is not a strict JW, but believes it's the truth. That prevents me from pulling the band aid off because I still want to be supportive of her, namely socially. She's not completely open to associate with non-witnesses. So I have kept up appearances, only in the form of attending the meetings fairly regularly. Everything else, including the ministry, I have stopped, though I will do the occasional talk, bible reading.

I'm generally a very social person. So I don't fear walking away and loosing "friends." I KNOW I can make other friends, and I already have. That doesn't trouble me one bit. My problem or worry is having to divide my time between my wife and my new friends, if she's not on board to associate with them. And that honestly, I'd say, is the only thing keeping me in right now. Otherwise, I just could care less.

But the children factor has definitely got to add weight to the matter, and I'm saddened that you have to face that, just because you want to be honest with yourself. I wish mental peace for you despite these circumstances and hope you can reach a comfortable consclusion in your life. My thoughts are with you and anyone else in this situation. Eff the organization for doing this to people.

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